My name is Dan and I found your email address on Properpreterism.org. I began studying preterism in the late 1990’s when I was in my early twenties, but didn’t quite understand it at the time. As it happens I unfortunately became a backslidden Christian for the better part of ten years and nearly put it out of my mind completely. About two years ago I renewed my relationship with Christ and for the first time in my life experienced true repentance for my sins. In the last two years I have spent a great deal of my time studying scripture and bringing myself closer to God. I am a full preterist, but there are still things that I don’t fully understand, so I was happy to come across your website.
What I am trying to understand mainly is what happens to this physical world? Is this world to continue on as is forever as many full-preterists seem to believe with sin still existing in some form? Or is Christ going to eventually put all things in subjection in the literal sense as in putting an end to the evil and sin (and death)? It seems to me that there is a lot of spiritualizing being done by many preterists particularly in relation to 1 Corinthians 15 24-28. My understanding is that this has not happened yet because sin is utterly rampant everywhere. Could you tell me your thoughts on this? Perhaps I have misunderstood.
Thank you kindly for taking the time to read through this email and answer my questions. I saw that you have a 262 area code in your phone number. I’m not sure where you live, but my family and I live in Muskego. I hope you are doing well.
Thank you for your interest and enthusiasm. We hope the following article will assist in answering your questions. Please let us know your thoughts and where you disagree.
By Lloyd Dale
In order to properly understand 1Cor 15:19-28 many things must be taken into account. In 1Cor 15, Paul is refuting the erroneous notion that there is no resurrection. He Claims that “now Christ is risen from the dead and become the firstfruits of those that have died (slept).” Thus in order to properly understand this portion of this chapter, we must first properly understand what the Bible and Paul meant by “dead.” For the present suffice it to say that Christ became “dead” when He voluntary surrendered to death on the cross.
Next Paul states that “as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. Contrary to popular opinion Paul is not writing about salvation here, he is writing about death in Adam and he is simply stating that Adam’s death is imputed to all men that are born of Adam’s seed. Then he states that in the same manner that Adam’s death was imputed to all men Christ’s resurrection life is imputed to all men that are born of Adam’s seed.
Again, contrary to popular opinion, Paul is not writing about salvation in this passage. He is simply contrasting death and resurrection life. Other passages clearly tell us that there will “a resurrection of the dead, both the just and the unjust” (Acts 24:15, cf. Dan 12:2). In that context, Paul states that this resurrection of the dead to life will occur for all men, “but each man in his own order. The first man, in this order of resurrection life, is Christ; He was the resurrection firstfruits of all men.
Next Paul states, “afterward (we now know from the balance of the NT that Paul’s “afterward” meant approximately 40 years after Christ’s resurrection) they that are Christ’s at His Parousia.” Paul’s those “that are Christ’s” is of course a reference to those that were given to Jesus by God the Father (John 17:9-24). In this verse, Paul clearly states the only “those that are Christ’s” (the justified) will receive resurrection life at His Parousia. Nothing what-so-ever is stated about the resurrection of anyone that was not Christ’s (the unjustified). By any reasonable standard this is the “first resurrection” of which John wrote in Rev 20:4d. We are told that those that “have a part in this first resurrection” will have no part in “the second death.”
At this point let me ask you a question: How can anyone have a part in the “second death” unless he was born of Adam, and first died of Adam’s death then experienced the resurrection life of Christ and then became subject to the “second death” because his name “was not found written in the book of life.?” Don’t criticize my view until you have a reasonable and complete answer to this question.
At this point we are left with a serious question: “When will those that had not been given to Christ be resurrected?” By any reasonable standard those that had not been given to Christ by God the Father, i.e. “those that are Christ’s at His Parousia” would be the “rest of the dead” of which John wrote in Rev 20:5.
John writes that “those that had a part in the first resurrection are blessed and holy and they shall be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him a thousand years.”
Now without writing any more about this right now let’s return to 1Cor 15:24 were Paul wrote, “then the end.” What is this “end” to which Paul refers? One thing is certain, whatever it is; it clearly occurs after the “resurrection…of those that are Christ’s at his Parousia” of verse 23 in Paul’s sequence of events as presented here. That leaves two questions that we must answer correctly in order to properly understand what Paul is stating here: (1) “How long after the event of verse 23 (the Parousia resurrection of the justified) will it be until the “end?” (2) “What is this “end” to which Paul refers?”
From Scripture it can be deduced that Paul, John and the other apostles discussed the Revelation at the Jerusalem council in ca. 46 AD, therefore, I think that Paul and John were in agreement about these things. While Paul does not give us the details about the resurrection of the unjustified dead (the rest of the dead), in 1Cor 15:19-28; John does in Rev 20:5-6 and 11-15 and according to John this resurrection of the rest of the dead (the unjustified) takes place after a thousand year “heavenly kingdom” (2Tim 4:18) “reign” of the saints (“beheaded” and otherwise dead) resurrected at the Parousia (the justified of 1Cor 15:23b, cf. 1Tim 2:10-12, Matt 16:27-28,19:28, 25:31)
That this reign of the saints with Christ begins at the Parousia is verified by the sequence of verses 23 and 25 in 1Cor 15. First, the resurrection of “those that are Christ’s at His Parousia,” in verse 23 then “for He must reign…” in verse 25. In 1Cor 15 there is NO mention, not even a suggestion of a “reign” until after the Parousia of verse 23. However, in verse 26 after the Parousia of verse 23 Paul states, “for He must reign…” This follows or correlates perfectly with the events in Rev 20:4-6 & 11-15. Thus 1Cor 15:19-28 and Rev 20:4-6 & 11-15 are parallels that clearly establish that the “end” Paul has in mind in 1Cor 15:24 is the end of “the thousand years reign of the resurrected saints with Christ” which John describes in Rev 20.
It should be noted here that there is no coming of Christ or Parousia of Christ identified with the end of the thousand years reign of the saints with Christ in Rev 20:11-15. This all takes place in the realm of the “resurrected” both of the just and the unjust (“…whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire” of the “second death, verses 14-15).
In keeping with both Paul’s and John’s sequence of events, the events of 1Cor 15:26-28 occur after “the thousand years reign of the saints with Christ.”
Thank you for forwarding Lloyd’s article. It was excellent and not to mention undeniable in its entirety. I have to say that it is almost shocking to read something like that. It makes me wonder why I hadn’t come to the same conclusion years ago because it seems so obvious that it is the truth of the matter. One can only guess how it has been possible that dispensationalists have been so sucessful in promoting a doctrine that obviously smacks of complete non-sense. It is almost as if they call God a liar and then create an esoteric means by which one should understand scripture. I recently heard a preacher on WVCY talking about how the Jews were going to build another temple in Jerusalem and that would be the temple that would eventually be destroyed per Matthew 24. What a pitiful state we are in when people can accept these lies without so much as a fight.
I had always wondered why we had strong Christian civilizations like Byzantium that would eventually crumble, only to give birth to Christian cultures that seemed to only get more and more degenerate. So when I see these degenerate currents finding their place in our world, it makes perfect sense why Rev 20: 7-10 makes complete sense in our present times. How wonderful to have learned this!
I learned about preterism back in 1998 from a man named V.S. Herrell. I had been involved in his ” Christian Separatist Church ” for a time and eventually had a falling out with them and left that church, which is something similar to what is today called “Christian Identity.” I believe some of his writings can still be found online. This occured in my early to mid twenties. I’m 32 now. Since then, I haven’t been involved in any other churches or similar organizations. I am married with three children living in Muskego .
Thank you again to you and Lloyd for sending this excellent article. Very well written. I look forward to hearing from you.